Critique Number 18

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Critique Number 18

Postby abby » Tue Jul 31, 2012 6:15 pm

Hi all,
Here is an image I took last week which I am ambivalent about.
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Re: Critique Number 18

Postby autzig » Tue Jul 31, 2012 10:30 pm

Carol, I can understand your ambivalence toward this photo, but I think it has some real potential. First of all, you must crop out all of the sky. It is too bright and detracts from the shot. I think you could really improve the photo by using Color Efex Pro. The clouds reflected in the water really have a lot of potential. I also think the colors in the rock could be more saturated.

Here's my version. I cropped the photo and used the detail extractor and the pro contrast filters. I might be inclined to crop further, even down to the water's edge to highlight the reflection of the clouds in the water.

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Re: Critique Number 18

Postby abby » Wed Aug 01, 2012 8:31 am

Thanks so much for the reply Al. It is very helpful to me. As far as the sky goes, I did crop some of it off the top, and left just a little bit of it........but you are correct, I should leave all of the sky out, as I prefer your version without it.
I actually did use Color Efex Pro on my version! The original version really didn't have any of the reflected sky in the water, but once I used the tonal contrast filter in Color Efex, the reflected sky came though in the water. After seeing your example (thanks so much for the re-do and posting it), it has become apparent to me that I am not comfortable with how much is too much??? I am always afraid the image will look "fake" and I am afraid to push it too much. I do like your version better than mine, but I would be afraid that it might be too much for people like you, who seem to shy away from overly saturated and overly processed images. My problem is how much is enough and how much is too much? I need to find the right balance.
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Re: Critique Number 18

Postby autzig » Wed Aug 01, 2012 5:34 pm

Carol, don't worry about over saturation until your photos begin to look like Andy"s . :D He's the king of saturation around here.

The key to this and any photo is the subject. I don't know what you were trying to accomplish with the original photo, but it was the pattern and texture of the reflected clouds that I really like. That's why I was inclined to crop more of the photo than I did. In my version, the reflecting clouds are clearly the subject but I can't say the same thing about your shot.

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Re: Critique Number 18

Postby deaner1971 » Thu Aug 02, 2012 7:36 am

I agree with Al. An edit with the trees and clouds represented only with reflections would be very nice. Not a perspective I would have thought to either shoot or crop to but, after Al mentioned it, I "hand cropped" and I do like what I saw (your picture, not my hand). I think it will remove the final bits of ambivalence.

With just the tree reflection and your foreground, it nicely puts a frame within a frame on your wonderful cloud reflection.

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Re: Critique Number 18

Postby abby » Thu Aug 02, 2012 6:14 pm

Hi Al,
What was my subject? My subject was the reflections of the trees and the clouds, using the rocks in the forefront to anchor the image. You have shown me how to make my subject stand out more. Thank you!
Hi Dean,
Thanks for chiming in. Here is my re-do using the suggested crop from Al which you agree with (without your hand :lol: )
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Re: Critique Number 18

Postby deaner1971 » Fri Aug 03, 2012 7:08 am

Carol,

I like it!

I feel (and while a novice behind the lens, I am quiet accomplish at appreciating the work of others :D ) that your newly cropped picture has a very nice "spril" flow to it. The lightness of the bottom left portion of clouds draws the eye, the eye then is pulled into the detail of the plants, then on to the reflection of the trees and around to the rocks. Not that intrigued by the rocks but they nicely complete a semi-circle around the subject.

If the reflected clouds could be even more detailed or more contrasty (yeah, making up works) I think it would create a nice texture in depth. The clouds almost feel like they are on a separate plane from the rest of the image which does simulate that depth.

Nice work.

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Re: Critique Number 18

Postby Andy » Sat Aug 04, 2012 2:24 pm

Carol: My first (and maybe best) instinct was not to comment at all here. However, if I am going to expect others to comment on and critique my images, I guess I owe it to you and the group to weigh in.

This is one of those images I might keep in the files, but wouldn't do much more with. I honestly don't think it is a really strong image. The clouds, themselves aren't a strong enough subject, in my view. I also would like to see the rocks in the foreground razor sharp, and they appear a bit soft here. Its one of those images (and trust me, I have 100's of them) that you look at and wonder what your thinking was. What was the subject and what did I do to make the subject the central part of the photo?

Aside from the sharpness issue, the technical quality of the image is great, as is the compositional "balance". But the image just doesn't do it for me.

My wife has a favorite saying: "thats why God made chocolate milk and white milk." There are others who like it. It might even win a contest or be on the cover of Nature Photographer Magazine. That's what makes critiques critiques I guess. Thanks for posting, and for continuing to participate and make this a great place!
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Re: Critique Number 18

Postby abby » Sat Aug 04, 2012 6:42 pm

I hate you Andy and am never going to post here again. :evil:


Nah, really, it was kind of you to want to hold back your feelings toward this image, but honestly, I want and deserve to be treated like "the big boys" here, so I am very happy that you posted your honest critique. :mrgreen:
I posted this image knowing it wasn't strong, and got feedback that has been helpful.... and for that I am very grateful.
Thanks for your input!!!! :wink:
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Re: Critique Number 18

Postby Andy » Sat Aug 04, 2012 7:43 pm

LOL Carol! :-)
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Re: Critique Number 18

Postby deaner1971 » Mon Aug 06, 2012 7:24 am

Andy wrote:[...]My wife has a favorite saying: "thats why God made chocolate milk and white milk." There are others who like it. It might even win a contest or be on the cover of Nature Photographer Magazine. That's what makes critiques critiques I guess. Thanks for posting, and for continuing to participate and make this a great place!


I agree with your wife's quote and I think I can see the application here.

I do think this is a very good illustrative photo and was very impressed by the improvements made to it after the initial comments. That is the piece that I am liking right now about our critique process. As someone who is learning to get the most out of processing software, I like watching people take an image, embrace the criticisms and then try to make corrections to the fullest extent possible.

As you said, we all have pictures where we look at it later and just cannot believe that a scene that so impressed us came off flat. We all have that streak of optimism that causes us to keep it and hope that we can do something with it later. With a new-ish baby, I cannot go out and get new photos so I am having fun with my little image salvage project and everyone's thoughts and input has helped immeasurably.

Thanks all!



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