Critique #17

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Critique #17

Postby Andy » Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:32 am

Here is another image:

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Re: Critique #17

Postby abby » Sun Jul 29, 2012 6:52 pm

I like the barn, I like the color of the foliage, it has a great sky. It's a nice image. As you know, (well, I know you know because you were the one who taught me this) :wink: as a rule, it's usually a good idea to give a subject, such as cows, people etc. breathing room in the image, or room on the direction they are facing to see where the cows are walking out to in this particular image. If one were to follow this rule, then the cows would be positioned in a more pleasing place in the image, such as over to the right-hand side.
Sometimes rules are made to be broken. Was your intention to have the cows this far over on the left, or was there something obtrusive beyond the cows on the left that you did not want to include in your composition?
I took this image and flipped it to place the cows over on the righthand side and the barn on the left. I liked it better this way for some reason. I think it might be because we view from left to right and my eye was led up to the two forefront cows, and then beyond up to the cows in the background. It just looked better to me. I wonder if anyone else would agree about this. I did not post my redo of this image because I did not have your permission.
Thanks for posting this image Andy, as it was a good exercise for me and helped me to think about flipping an image, which I rarely if ever do to my own.
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Re: Critique #17

Postby Andy » Sun Jul 29, 2012 7:48 pm

Interesting thought. You have my permission. Lets see your image.

Of course, you know this will be manipulation :shock:
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Re: Critique #17

Postby Andy » Sun Jul 29, 2012 7:53 pm

I don't think this one necessarily breaks a rule. The cattle aren't "looking" out of the frame or even necessecarily moving out of the frame. I think they proved balance, in this case. But am still intrigued by the idea of reversing the image
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Re: Critique #17

Postby deaner1971 » Mon Jul 30, 2012 7:15 am

You should have picked up and placed the cows like you did that leaf... :twisted:

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Re: Critique #17

Postby Andy » Mon Jul 30, 2012 7:29 am

LOL, Dean. Actually, I hadn't thought about it, but CS6 has a new feature called "Content-aware" Move. I probably Could move them around in the photo. Maybe its a good one to try to play around with.
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Re: Critique #17

Postby abby » Mon Jul 30, 2012 1:40 pm

Good one Dean! :mrgreen:
I'd like to see the Content Aware move on this one if you try it Andy. Sounds really cool.
To be honest with you, I think I've only ever flipped one image. What got me thinking about flipping this image is a result of a conversation I had the other day with one of my good friends. She is being mentored by Arnold Kaplan (yes, THE Arnold Kaplan!) and she sent him a few images to critique. One of the images he suggested that she flip in order to make a more pleasing composition. That got me thinking and when I looked at this image, I decided to give it a try. Here's the flip:
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I think I prefer the flipped image, but it could just be me. My mother has always told me that I "flipped my lid". :lol:
Thoughts? (On the image that is, not on me flipping my lid) :wink:
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Re: Critique #17

Postby mmvt » Mon Jul 30, 2012 3:09 pm

I like both images but prefer the flipped image - not sure why but it does seem to 'flow' better! Love all of the colors and the context of the scene!

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Re: Critique #17

Postby autzig » Mon Jul 30, 2012 5:22 pm

Except for being a bit over saturated, :D I like this image. The balance is perfect with the heavy barn on the right balanced with the cows on the left. I personally don't think the flipped image works any better than the original. If you are going to take Dean's suggestion and move the cows, you should move them so they are facing into the scene instead of out of it. I think they have enough room but if they were facing into the scene it would be better as they would be pointing to your subject barn.

If you are going to face the cows toward the barn, you may as well put a few clouds in the sky too. :wink:

Actually, I would be inclined to crop a little of the sky and a little of the pastureland in front of the cows. This kind of sky doesn't add any interest so I'd crop it just above the tallest tree.

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Re: Critique #17

Postby Utah Baker » Mon Jul 30, 2012 6:46 pm

I'm certainly no expert, but I do prefer the flipped image, somehow more pleasing to the eye. As for cropping I would leave the sky and crop the bottom just above the cows, removing them completely, if you don't like the way the are facing.

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Re: Critique #17

Postby deaner1971 » Tue Jul 31, 2012 7:25 am

OK, I was kidding about moving the cows but I should have guessed that any weird idea I can come up with, a talented PS user can probably achieve...

Why do I like the flipped image better (and I do)? Can someone break that down for me as it seems to be a common response to the change. And this is a change that seems easy to do so I'd love to know if my not being the new Ansel Adams is just because I haven't been flipping things 8) !

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Re: Critique #17

Postby autzig » Tue Jul 31, 2012 8:00 am

I think those who like the flipped image better are being affected by the fact that we read from left to right. The flipped image takes our eyes from the barn on the left to the cows on the right. It is as simple as that.

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Re: Critique #17

Postby Andy » Tue Jul 31, 2012 4:59 pm

Exactly right, Al. I recently posted an image on Greg Lessard's Facebook Critique page that I took in SF last October. It was fishing boats and they were all lined up on a dock on my right with the sun lighting them nicely. One of the critiquers immediately noted that although he really liked the image, he thought it was pretty brave of me to post a "right to left facing image like that." I don't often think about it when I am composing. I look first for light, then balance and then more geometric things. And, you have to take your subjects as they present. Although flipping an image is certainly not something new to digital.

I want to play with these a bit and also put them side by side. I'll do that, and maybe even play around with the content-aware move (though I don't think it is capable of turning the cows to look into the photograph).

Ironically, as I first arrived on the scene, they WERE facing the barn. By the time I got set up, they had moved.
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Re: Critique #17

Postby Andy » Sat Aug 04, 2012 2:14 pm

Having looked at both images, I'll stick with it the way I found it :-).

However, I did desaturate the foreground in the image about 30%, and made Al's suggested crop. Here is the result:

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I like the saturation, but I think It needed some more subtle adjustments in Viveza. The foreground did seem oversaturated to me, but I liked the color in the background.
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Re: Critique #17

Postby abby » Sat Aug 04, 2012 6:58 pm

I like the colors of the revised version Andy. I still can't get past the fact that the cows are so close to the edge of the frame.

Andy wrote:I don't think this one necessarily breaks a rule. The cattle aren't "looking" out of the frame or even necessecarily moving out of the frame. I think they proved balance, in this case. But am still intrigued by the idea of reversing the image


I get what you're saying, but it still feels awkward to me to have the cows facing in the direction so close to that edge of the frame, even though they aren't "looking" out of the frame. It's just me. I must like white milk and you must like chocolate milk. LOL :mrgreen: Although, these cows are both black and white so I guess they produce both white milk and chocolate milk. :wink:
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