Question about property access

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Texas_Aggie
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Question about property access

Postby Texas_Aggie » Mon Sep 24, 2018 8:05 am

Good Morning everyone!

In doing some reconnaissance online, i've been looking at some vermont photos and then trying to figure out where people were standing when they took them. I found several nice pics of Peacham, but noticed that they all appeared to be taken in a field on private property.

For example, these photos appear to be taken from somewhere in this field (https://goo.gl/maps/pSRHSixgCMU2)

https://500px.com/photo/70603073/pink-m ... blanchette

https://500px.com/photo/85622339/rural- ... blanchette

https://500px.com/photo/116897877/cow-u ... blanchette

https://500px.com/photo/244731857/moonl ... wayne-rene

https://500px.com/photo/218538863/a-pic ... hotography

Is this common in Vermont? In Texas, you would have the cops called on you for trespassing. I noticed even in Kaplan's yellow book, there are some photo locations where he tells you to walk across a field (Corinth, if i remember correctly).

I don't think we'll make it up there to Peacham, but my curiosity was getting to me.


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Re: Question about property access

Postby Texas_Aggie » Mon Sep 24, 2018 8:26 am

another random question

I was looking around Peacham on google street view, and noticed that there is a large stone monument down this little dirt road. Anyone know what it is about?

https://goo.gl/maps/XEHX7bTtd7k

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Re: Question about property access

Postby mmvt » Mon Sep 24, 2018 8:50 am

Texas_Aggie wrote:Good Morning everyone!

In doing some reconnaissance online, i've been looking at some vermont photos and then trying to figure out where people were standing when they took them. I found several nice pics of Peacham, but noticed that they all appeared to be taken in a field on private property.

For example, these photos appear to be taken from somewhere in this field (https://goo.gl/maps/pSRHSixgCMU2)

https://500px.com/photo/70603073/pink-m ... blanchette

https://500px.com/photo/85622339/rural- ... blanchette

https://500px.com/photo/116897877/cow-u ... blanchette

https://500px.com/photo/244731857/moonl ... wayne-rene

https://500px.com/photo/218538863/a-pic ... hotography

Is this common in Vermont? In Texas, you would have the cops called on you for trespassing. I noticed even in Kaplan's yellow book, there are some photo locations where he tells you to walk across a field (Corinth, if i remember correctly).

I don't think we'll make it up there to Peacham, but my curiosity was getting to me.
The Peacham shot is from private property - it's a large field and owned by someone who has allowed photographers to access it. I only shot it once and don't remember the details but I think Andy and Carol's book might have the specifics. I have found that VT people are pretty tolerant of photographers especially when we are respectful ask permission before stepping onto private land...but there is also a great deal of public land which makes it a great place to be!! BUT, last year, Cloudland Road was an absolute mess because of van loads of tourists (some photographers/some not) who parked all over the place and were trespassing on one of the iconic scenes there. Some people were actually SITTING on the landowners gate for their "selfies" and family portraits! Sadly, the ability for people to now find those "hidden gems" begins to take something away from the experience (for me). Last year is also the very first time i encountered a vermont land owner getting angry about my taking a photo - I was on the side of the road and a small sunflower field caught my eye. I stopped to take a few shots of it and a woman in the house came running out screaming at me - super angry!! I believe I was actually within my rights to take the photo from the road but left anyway and that is the very first time I've encountered that in VT. Several years ago, I wandered (by car) onto a private property in Lincoln- one of the most beautiful views i have seen in VT with a pond, barn, long views, old stone fences, etc. When I realized it was private property, I stopped, took a few photos (from the road) and left. the property was so beautiful and there was a sign on it so I decided to see if i could locate the owners - i did, sent them an email, shared the few photos i took and explained to them how i found the property and that I had not trespassed. They were super appreciative and actually invited me back to visit them the following year and showed me around including the small sugar shack they had built. In subsequent years, they have given me permission to photograph there because of the level of respect i showed for them and their property.
Good luck in your travels and thanks for being a respectful photographer!!

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Re: Question about property access

Postby Texas_Aggie » Mon Sep 24, 2018 11:47 am

Thanks!

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Re: Question about property access

Postby Andy » Mon Sep 24, 2018 2:32 pm

Yep. MMVT hit the nail on the head. It is really all about being courteous and respectful. The old, lifetime Vermonters are generally very friendly, helpful and welcoming folks. But use common sense. All of the iconic images of that Peacham Scene (including Arnold Kaplan's originally famous images) were taken from somewhere in the field. I have been there many times. Sometimes it is being used as pasture. One year there was corn there and it had already been harvested. Other years they are growing hay. It is a no-no to trample down a hayfield, as it wreaks havoc with trying to mow it cleanly later. But if it is pasture, it is probably already trampled down by the cows (and they have also likely left some other surprises too, to tread carefully). I always have walked up around the fence and woods lines on obviously cultivated farm fields. Again, it is a matter of courtesy.

Unfortunately, the masses seem to have forgotten manners and courtesy in many instances, as we are beginning to see more and more on our travels virtually everywhere in the world. I overheard one of the Peacham residents talking to another in the store a couple years back, saying she couldn't wait until the foliage was gone (and the tourists too). She recounted how a couple of viewers walked through her back yard (which I learned from her after engaging her in conversation, was up behind the field we are talking about), and walked right up and looked into her windows. Really?

My feeling has always been, when in doubt, ask permission, or just don't go there.

BTW, Margie, you are basically right about being within your rights to photograph the sunflower field from the public road. The only thing that would be "protected" would be copyrighted materials (like architecture) in some very limited instances, and persons' rights to privacy. Even then, the copyright issue isn't one of prohibition to photograph. it is what you do with it afterward. I have a really nice image of the NBC building in Chicago. One of my favorites. But I don't believe I could ever sell or license it because the NBC logo is such a prominent part of the image. But there was certainly nothing to stop me from making the photograph legally.

Americans can be very protective of their property. So again, use common sense. I would have done just as you did. I cannot think of a photo that is worth the grief :-)
Andy

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Re: Question about property access

Postby Andy » Mon Sep 24, 2018 2:33 pm

Oh, and YES, the book does have detailed directions to this location. :-)
Andy

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