Recommendations for early Oct

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Recommendations for early Oct

Postby smiling » Tue Sep 20, 2016 2:32 pm

Hi All,

We are from Europe and we are coming for our first time to see foliage in Canada. Why on this forum you may wonder? We will be in Quebec and we were thinking on whether it was worth spending our last 3 days to go to Algoquin park in Ontario or rather come down to Vermont.
We are more inclined for Vermont coming down from Durham, QC.

We should be there on 4th, 5th and 6th October. Given the time, where do you recommend us we could spend these 3 days?
I read the cover bridge tour around Montgomery and then looked like to me that the Scenic Route 100 byway is a must. In 3 days how do you recommend to split? Or given the time of october and in relation to current expectations for foliage do you recommend perhaps other routes.

Thanks a lot in advance


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Re: Recommendations for early Oct

Postby ctyanky » Tue Sep 20, 2016 6:41 pm

Hi Smiling and welcome to our forum! Glad you could stop by and ask for advice about your upcoming trip! My first comment is, "Go with your inclinations and come to VT"! The dates you have chosen would be perfect for the Northeast Kingdom (aka NEK). There are so many wonderful roads and places to see, and I hope Carol, From-the-NEK and others chime in who are experts in this area. Lake Willoughby, Island Pond, Holland (where I will go for the first time with Carol), route 114, route 111 around Seymour Lake, Darling Hill Road in East Burke come to mind. I also heard there is a Jimapco map of the NEK that has come out in the last year or two which might be helpful. You may be able to pick it up at a gas station or bookstore.

On another note, it might be wise to check for lodging this late in the game. Do you have accommodations in mind? Perhaps others can recommend places that may still have openings.

Maybe two days in the NEK and then take a ride on 100. I defer to others for their very expert opinions on your trip but thought I could get some ideas moving for you. With the cold snap arriving in a couple of days, we should have a better picture of the foliage progression, at least in the NEK.

Best of luck to you and others will come on soon to share their thoughts. Again, welcome to our wonderful forum and please keep asking away!

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Re: Recommendations for early Oct

Postby abby » Tue Sep 20, 2016 7:16 pm

Hi Smiling and welcome to the forum. Yes, you could easily come down Rte 55 in Quebec which will turn into Rte 91 at the Vermont border. As CT recommended, you should book your lodging as soon as possible. There is a brand new lodge at Burke Mountain which just opened this month. I'm not sure of the prices but it would be an ideal location for you to stay. http://www.burkevermont.com/listing/The ... e-Mountain
There is also a very nice Comfort Inn which is centrally located in the area as well. http://www.burkevermont.com/listing/Com ... e-Mountain

I'd recommend the following must see spots in the area:
Drive the toll road to the top of Burke Mountain
Darling Hill road in East Burke to Lyndonville is a beautiful drive with views of the Willoughby Gap to the West and Burke Nountain to the East. There are some beautiful farms and B&B's along this road.
Lake Willoughby.....the South end is beautiful in the morning
Long Pond......located on Long Pond Road off Rte 5A near Lake Willoughby
Newark Pond and Jobs Pond are also in this area and are beautiful in the Fall.

Rte 114 to Rte 105 to Island Pond is always a lovely drive. There are so many more places in this area that I could recommend. Why don't you nail your lodging down if you decide to go the Vermont route and come back and let us know where you will be staying and we can help you with some scenic driving routes. Are you a serious photographer, or is this a leaf peeper relaxing type of a trip? Looking forward to hearing back from you!
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Re: Recommendations for early Oct

Postby admin » Tue Sep 20, 2016 7:34 pm

Hi and welcome to the forum..

Colors in northeastern Vermont should be just about perfect for your visit. I would recommend the Jay Peak area. You can probably get accommodation at Jay Peak itself...they have a big hotel. From Jay you could go over the mountain to Montgomery, then head south you the Notch to Lowell. This is mostly dirt road, and closed in the winter. It can have really stunning colors if you hit it right. After that drive in a big circle over Lowell Mountain to Irasburg and Orleans, then over to Lake Willoughby, then north to Newport and back east to Jay. You could also take route 100 from Lowell over to Stowe...about an hour's drive. In Stowe, take the mountain road over to Smugglers' Notch...another windy mountain road, then head back to Jay again. There are only two bed and breakfasts in Montgomery. They are probably booked up now, so Jay Peak would be your best bet, or if not, the new Burke Mountain Hotel in East Burke.

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Re: Recommendations for early Oct

Postby smiling » Wed Sep 21, 2016 3:45 am

Hi!

Thank you all for the very warm welcome.

Given the distance from Algonquin Park to Montreal, where we will be taking our flight from, I think we will indeed come to VT.

Following your suggestions we tried to develop two alternatives and have some questions for you.

ALTERNATIVE 1
Oct 3rd - Night in Canada around Dunham for wineries/ice ciders
Oct 4th - Montgomery+covered bridges and then night around either Barton or Burke - Seems like quite expensive compared to up north in Canada!
Oct 5th - Completing the loop as recommended and night in Jay.
Oct 6th - Back to Canada

ALTERNATIVE 2
Oct 3rd - Night in Canada around Dunham for wineries/ice ciders
Oct 4th - Montgomery+Lovel+Stowe on the 100
Oct 5th - Down to Hancock or Rochester area
Oct 6th - Back north to Canada

The main idea was to drive with some stops in interesting spots for photos (quite like taking photos, not really a pro but not so amateur!) and visiting nice towns and villages worthwhile on route to get a sense of VT and foliage here.
I read loads of Scenic route 100 but certainly isn't a must-do if you recommend that there are other routes worthwhile to better segment the trip, especially in the view of catching as much as possible the peak time for foliage around. If I am not wrong the west is one of the latest area.

Very much looking forward to your suggestions before booking up!

Thanks a lot to everyone!

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Re: Recommendations for early Oct

Postby ctyanky » Wed Sep 21, 2016 4:58 am

Hi Smiling: my vote is for alternative #1. That being said, and waiting for others to respond, I would book your lodging asap. I think we can massage your itinerary even more once you are all set with what you choose to do, and add more interesting spots. I hate to see you miss Stowe and Smuggler's Notch on 108 over the pass, but the town itself (Stowe), will be a zoo of tourists and may slow you down. Cambridge is such a gorgeous area. Maybe we can squeeze it in? :wink: I defer to the gang once again!

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Re: Recommendations for early Oct

Postby smiling » Wed Sep 21, 2016 12:00 pm

I will wait for some confirmation, but I hear what you're saying... I will make some calculations about the milage and perhaps can squeeze something extra in as recommended.

Will do some accommodation hunting tonight! ;)

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Re: Recommendations for early Oct

Postby From_the_NEK » Wed Sep 21, 2016 2:14 pm

Here are some interesting options for driving around northeastern VT.
These are links to posts buried in the "THE BEST OF VERMONT; Scenic Drives, Viewpoints, Ponds, Lakes, Streams, Bridges and Buildings" Sticky thread above.

NEK Central:
http://www.scenesofvermont.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=3532&p=9105&hilit=drive#p9105

NEK Southwest(short and long options):
http://www.scenesofvermont.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=3532&p=11706&hilit=drive#p11706

NEK Southeast:
http://www.scenesofvermont.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=3532&p=16832&hilit=drive#p16832
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Re: Recommendations for early Oct

Postby shychakr » Wed Sep 21, 2016 2:22 pm

Hi,
This would be my first visit to VT. I would be in Londonderry during 5th -7th October. I have a 5 yr old kid. Please suggest the best scenic drives and light hikes.

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Re: Recommendations for early Oct

Postby smiling » Wed Sep 21, 2016 2:30 pm

Thanks for the links.

If it plays out as requested with the lodges, could probably do 4th in Newark, VT and 5th in Jay, unless you recommend the other way round coming from Dunham area, QC.
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Re: Recommendations for early Oct

Postby From_the_NEK » Wed Sep 21, 2016 2:50 pm

shychakr wrote:Hi,
This would be my first visit to VT. I would be in Londonderry during 5th -7th October. I have a 5 yr old kid. Please suggest the best scenic drives and light hikes.

You may want to start your own thread to prevent confusion with the discussion in this thread. Also, just to clarify, are you going to be in Londonderry, VT or Londonderry, NH?

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Re: Recommendations for early Oct

Postby From_the_NEK » Wed Sep 21, 2016 3:05 pm

smiling wrote:Thanks for the links.

If it plays out as requested with the lodges, could probably do 4th in Newark, VT and 5th in Jay, unless you recommend the other way round coming from Dunham area, QC.


I suppose it depends on what time of day you leave Dunham.

If you leave fairly early in the morning, I can lay out a road trip for you that would hit some really nice spots between Dunham and Newark (are you looking at staying at a bread and breakfast because there are no hotels in Newark?). And then I can lay out a nice route between the Burke/Lyndon area back to the Jay Peak area for the next day.

If you noticed while looking at the route I posted earlier, for the mostpart I avoid the major routes in favor of a lot of back road driving. I really feel like the best way to take in Vermont is to get off of the major roads (e.g. Rt 100 cough-cough 8)). The major roads keep you confined to the bottom of valleys where the grand views are lacking. Following a back road (usually gravel) up and over the hills takes you past beautiful farms, wide open fields, and many ponds and lakes. All with an excellent backdrop of colorful mountains.

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Re: Recommendations for early Oct

Postby smiling » Wed Sep 21, 2016 3:22 pm

Hi!

Probably, on a hindsight it would be best to do the other way round as I saw today that there are interesting vineyards in Dunham so perhaps spending a couple of hours in the area before crossing over to VT and focusing around montgomery. In this way I can then leave Jay early on the 4th towards Newark area to stay overnight and back to Montreal on the 6th, aiming to be there for sunset, so no rush.

I found a B&B on Airbnb with nice reviews and the lady seems nice and easy so if you think it can work out seems like an option.
If you happen to have time to lay down a route it would be super!

We rented a Standard class car (Nissan Altima or similar), so hopefully it would be good enough for back roads. I see what you mean about finding higher areas to get a wider view of the colours.

Thanks a million!

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Re: Recommendations for early Oct

Postby mmvt » Wed Sep 21, 2016 3:43 pm

I agree with the idea of not getting too focused on Route 100. It IS a lovely drive but the best photo spots in my opinion are on the "back roads" and small towns/villages. The "back roads" in VT are very easy to navigate with almost any car so i'd follow the guidance of NEK, Abby and Admin as they are very familiar with the Northeast Kingdom area.
Enjoy your time in VT!!

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Re: Recommendations for early Oct

Postby shychakr » Thu Sep 22, 2016 8:33 am

From_the_NEK wrote:
shychakr wrote:Hi,
This would be my first visit to VT. I would be in Londonderry during 5th -7th October. I have a 5 yr old kid. Please suggest the best scenic drives and light hikes.

You may want to start your own thread to prevent confusion with the discussion in this thread. Also, just to clarify, are you going to be in Londonderry, VT or Londonderry, NH?


Thank you for the reply.
I will be in Londonderry VT. I will start a new thread.



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